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Shadow
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The God wrote:

Shadow, this swinging icon is perfect. Exactly what I mean.
Current V//-lyrics are full of dark and sacred images as well. They are very polar.
You know that we have much common it our minds, my God

So, now for Masha

Masha wrote:

I remember the word psychedelic only in context of psychedelic drugs  :hmm:  It seems to me that word has rather negative sound...


Ohhh, Masha Writing my definition of the style I was even going to write an explanation concerning this matter It might sound something like this: The music style definition as psychedelic really has nothing to do with drugs etc. Then I decided that here on the foruum most people understand it without my explanations. I thought that direct translation from Greek would be enough to avoid misunderstanding. As I see from your post, Ive been mistaken.
So, go to any search machine and ask it for the word PSYCHEDELIC. Sure, youll found lots of links to chemical substances making some psychedelic effects. But at the same time youll found lots of links to various musical styles called psychedelic. Beginning from rock styles and so on, ending Goa etc.
The term psychedelic in context of music styles is widespread enough and it has nothing to do directly with drugs. Music makes even more strong effect than any chemistry and one no needs any chemistry :winky:
Read about Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin (at least they were founders of psychedelic music) and youll understand that its not that negative definition as it seems to you.

Its music, dear Masha, and not chemistry




Last edited by Shadow (28-03-2005 12:16)


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28-03-2005 12:08
   
Masha
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Shadow wrote:


Sure, youll found lots of links to chemical substances making some psychedelic effects. But at the same time youll found lots of links to various musical styles called psychedelic. Beginning from rock styles and so on, ending Goa etc.
The term psychedelic in context of music styles is widespread enough and it has nothing to do directly with drugs.


Maybe not directly , but the meaning still originates from that , so ...

Anyway, I think new Vacuum style deserves better attribute then that one.

Fools Like Me, Sea Of Silence ... in my opinion there is nothing "psychedelic" in those songs. It's an arrogant word and in spiritual cognitions there is no place for arrogance.
These are beautiful songs and even anti - psychedelic, in my opinion.


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29-03-2005 01:41
   
The God
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Shadow wrote:


The music style definition as psychedelic really has nothing to do with drugs etc.

So we cannot use slogan "Sex, drugs and syth-pop"... :sad: for V//-music... :pity:

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29-03-2005 01:49
   
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Admin's edit: Wonder, we have a new rule now! You can't write Russian posts in English topics. You can write Russian in Russian topics only. Please keep it in mind, ok? :)
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Wonder wrote:
I returned to the old memories and emotional expiriences. I compared again and understood: New Vacuum is Mattias' solo, which I waited for... This is something other, than Vacuum. That's why there are love themes there in the songs.

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29-03-2005 05:54
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The God wrote:

So we cannot use slogan "Sex, drugs and syth-pop"... :sad: for V//-music... :pity:
My God!






Masha, I'll answer you in the evening again. Sorry. I'm just going to run now and your post makes me tell long. So, till evening

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29-03-2005 05:58
   
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wonder wrote:

New Vacuum is Mattias' solo, which I waited for...

I share your point of view actually..

The God wrote:

So we cannot use slogan "Sex, drugs and syth-pop"... :sad: for V//-music... :pity:

Is it so sad like your smiley icon? :rolleyes:


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The God
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Vacuum Music wrote:


wonder wrote:

New Vacuum is Mattias' solo, which I waited for...

I share your point of view actually..

I join to this view


Vacuum Music wrote:



The God wrote:

So we cannot use slogan "Sex, drugs and syth-pop"... :sad: for V//-music... :pity:

Is it so sad like your smiley icon? :rolleyes:

Well, no. It was not my favorite slogan actually.
For new Vacuum I would rather use slogan by Maxwell House "Satisfaction to the last drop".
But I still miss powerful voice of Mattias as we used to hear at early albums...


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29-03-2005 10:48
   
wonder
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Yes!!! Just a little of old manner!

29-03-2005 11:07
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Sorry, I promised in the evening. But I couldn't. Forgive me being late  :guilty:

Masha wrote:

Anyway, I think new Vacuum style deserves better attribute then that one.
Dear Masha, its just my own definition of this style. I define new Vacuum style how I personally feel this music. I stated my point of view just to share my emotions just a bit (its a purpose of our forum I guess). I dont claim everyone to accept my definition. If you dislike my definition invent your own one. As for me I find my definition as the best one. Of course for me (and maybe only for me). I defined the style for myself. And just tell you what I think, not trying to impose my point of view upon others.


Masha wrote:

Fools Like Me, Sea Of Silence ... in my opinion there is nothing "psychedelic" in those songs. These are beautiful songs and even anti - psychedelic, in my opinion.
Yes, they are beautiful songs. As beautiful are all the songs on the album.
And You will laugh maybe Exactly Sea Of Silence IMHO is the most psychedelic song on the album. The most. IMHO.


Masha wrote:

It's an arrogant word and in spiritual cognitions there is no place for arrogance.
Words are just words They cant be themselves arrogant or not How do we use words may show us arrogant or not
Me (as a person) migt be arrogant if I would pretend you to call me enlightened or smth like this Some author of something might look arrogant if hed declare that he is enlightened (meaning his creative work) But this word as just definition of music style cant put any note of arrogance
I dont understand why do you see arrogance in feelings Sorry



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29-03-2005 18:42
   
The God
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Well, I see our discussion about new V// style comes deeper and deeper.
My suggestion is to split music and lyrics if we want to classify it.
We can define music style and then define lyrics style.
And after that we will look for soe compilation of those definitions.
Otherwise if we try to put the style of new album to any existing frames, we just loose our time. As I do not know anything to use as a benchmark. If I new one I wopuld already buy it...:-))
But if we take a music itself I see a lot of references to compare with and so to classify.
I see a lot of synth-pop base in it with strong influence of dark-wave and other gothic themes (in lyrics as well). Some notes of DM and new A-ha can be found (even in vocal in some songs).


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30-03-2005 02:17
   
Masha
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Shadow wrote:

Dear Masha, its just my own definition of this style. I define new Vacuum style how I personally feel this music. I stated my point of view just to share my emotions just a bit (its a purpose of our forum I guess). I dont claim everyone to accept my definition.

Of course, I didnt think you are ... Im sorry if it looked like I was attacking you for your opinion  :huh?:
But, the purpose of our forum is also to discuss and give comments  on each others opinions, isnt it ?  :winky:
And both kind of comments : agreeable and disagreeable , but always with respect (not like Bride Of A Genius recently...  oh I still havent recovered yet ) ... and Im sorry if I sounded different it wasnt my intention  :smile:

Shadow wrote:

If you dislike my definition invent your own one.

Yes, I guess I could ... well, hm ... to me , new Vacuum is kind of SOUL/SYNTH music style ... I dont know is that one already invented but, to me, it fits   :smile:


Shadow wrote:

Exactly Sea Of Silence IMHO is the most psychedelic song on the album. The most. IMHO.

Dear Shadow, we obviously call the same thing with different names and it is just my opinion that psychedelic represents something other which I dont value very much. Never mind ! Lets not get into endless discussion about it!


Shadow wrote:

dont understand why do you see arrogance in feelings

Oh, how did you come to this conclusion .... Shadow, you misunderstood me ... never mind ...

I love your new smilies !  Especially that one with a cat! Makes me giggle every time I see it  :smile:
I love cats ... my sister has such one devilish black tomcat. What a crazy funny cat he is!  :colpac:


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30-03-2005 07:47
   
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Masha wrote:

Im sorry if it looked like I was attacking you for your opinion
:smile: Nevermind. Its OK.


Masha wrote:

But, the purpose of our forum is also to discuss and give comments on each others opinions, isnt it ?
Sure! And I dont mind to listen all kinds of comments. Actually thats why Im here. And with my previous post I didnt mean that I dont want to listen to your comments. That was just my answer for your comments. My comments for your comments so to say...
You are free to disagree with me as I am free as well. This is a talking place (as I understand).
 

Masha wrote:

not like Bride Of A Genius recently...
Dear Masha, please, dont be so angry at Power. She isnt that bad as your picture her. She just was playing pranks being sure that you can understand Russian. Your name sounds like Russian one. And one can think that you are a Russian girl.
And This is a forum People are different. One wants to play prank, play jokes etc We should be tolerant. Sure, rudeness must be blamed. But not just innocent jokes and frolics  :flower: 

People are strange
When youre a stranger
Jimmy Morrisson Doors


Masha wrote:

Lets not get into endless discussion about it!
Why not?..
     Im not afraid of long discussions if the subject is just somehow important...


Masha wrote:

I love your new smilies! Especially that one with a cat! Makes me giggle every time I see it
Im happy to make people smile. The most joy is to give joy to others. :-)


Masha wrote:

I love cats ... my sister has such one devilish black tomcat. What a crazy funny cat he is!
My cat also is black and very funny. He is a little imp. :-) And I adore him!!!



To The God:
Your suggetion is interesting. But I cant reply for it right now. I must think more on it. Ill be back once

Last edited by Shadow (30-03-2005 19:03)


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30-03-2005 18:58
   
The God
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Shadow wrote:


To The God:
Your suggetion is interesting. But I cant reply for it right now. I must think more on it. Ill be back once http://www.smilik.ru/smiles/characters/1183711.gif

You always know where to find me... :angel:


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31-03-2005 01:57
   
Shadow
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Ugu  :winky:

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31-03-2005 04:37
   
sycamore
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No doubts, V-style has a lot of places of interest in its music, but during my every listening to new Vacuum I get opinion that something's not enough. Maybe Wollbek's not enough for music (because of lack of musical education), maybe Matias solo's not enough, maybe saturation of music is not enough... I don't know really... I can compare my feelings, like whene you're eating a lot of qualitative food, but still hungry. I really think they should invite more professionals in writing music, like Bard did for his projects, incl. Vacuum (I don't wanna offend Mattias or Wollbek). :lovevac:
And I have such wishes not for making 'em more popular, but for making more qualitative music.


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