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Marina
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31-01-2005 02:17
   

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31-01-2005 04:05
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02-02-2005 03:14
   
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02-02-2005 07:44
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sycamore
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I don't think VACUUM has to chang its name because of some peculiaritys or changes in Mattias's voice. It's not logical. :hmm: Voice has changed, I love "Plutonium" voice much more, :biggrin: But nobody makes to listen to new Vacuum anybody of us. Mattias didn't have a choice what kind of voice to sing. I love present Vacuum so much, somebody doesn't - it's a right of everybody. Mattias proved they can exist without Bard's influence - it's great! :good:

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02-02-2005 15:24
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03-02-2005 09:14
   
Masha
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Well, we discussed this before and I will not begin to defend Bard again (that is Ill try not to :smile: )
Now I think this is a very subjective thing what we see and like in Vacuum and according to that our judgement about what or who Vacuum is or was.

I must say I dont agree with The God when he says that Bard does cheap pop projects.
My God !  :smile:
Cheap pop lyrics do not contain lines like sweet  global warming, marvel at the beauty of space they dont  deal with such themes while Bard always did that and still does. The same meaning is of  Hurrah, hurrah, apocalypse  and  Atlas shrugged tonight Bard has always changed many diametrically different styles of his projects like different clothes in which he wrapped the very same philosophy. Extravagant AoL, scientific religious Vacuum, disco Alcazar, modern Bwo  

New Vacuum album doesnt have that philosophy to me it seems it was not its intention to deal with any philosophy its more individual expressions like Shadow said in her review something like its more music just from heart to heart. 
New Vacuum is definitely not like the old one and which one of them deserves the name Vacuum maybe we shouldnt think in that direction at all.
Bands change their style, their philosophy and thats it.

Thanks to The God, Power, Sycamore, Annette   for writing in English , so that we can join the discussion too !  :smile:  Thinking of others is one of the greatest virtues a man can have, I believe. :heart:

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03-02-2005 12:58
   
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Masha wrote:

New Vacuum album doesnt have that philosophy to me it seems it was not its intention to deal with any philosophy its more individual expressions like Shadow said in her review something like its more music just from heart to heart.

Yes I see new Vacuum as music directly from heart to heart. And I wrote it in my review for the album (as you mention).
But why do you consider this way as devoid of philosophy? Its just another level of philosophy (IMHO). Each soul (read heart) includes the whole world. And when any heart speaks to another one What a SPACE for philosophy!!! Deep inner philosophy of much deeper and much wider level, darling Bards philosophy declared with all that catchy, loud and bright sentences appears shallow one in comparison


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04-02-2005 16:51
   
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Masha wrote:

I must say I dont agree with The God when he says that Bard does cheap pop projects.
My God !  :smile:
Cheap pop lyrics do not contain lines like sweet  global warming, marvel at the beauty of space they dont  deal with such themes while Bard always did that and still does. The same meaning is of  Hurrah, hurrah, apocalypse  and  Atlas shrugged tonight Bard has always changed many diametrically different styles of his projects like different clothes in which he wrapped the very same philosophy. Extravagant AoL, scientific religious Vacuum, disco Alcazar, modern Bwo  

Well, in spite of "sophisticated" lyrics, all Bard's projects (except Vacuum) are typical commercial pop projects. Maybe not that cheap...;-)) BTW, with all my great respect to Vacuum, Bard's Vacuum was also commercial pop. At least I percive it this way as marketing specialist. At the same time current Vacuum seems to be open-hearted. Even if it does not bring prper commercial success. That is why they win now even stronger respect from my side.


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04-02-2005 17:21
   
sycamore
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Vacuum is the most harmonical band Bard has ever made. Voice, style, music, lyrics were made for each other and united into the one something great we love so much. What about another projects, so they were not so cheep because of some proffesional peoples like Wollbek, Hanson and meny others who worked and stills working with Bard. Army had almost nothing (no normal voice, no deep sense in lyrics), but idea! just idea of making such band of members, who could just open mouthes like nutcrackers. Alcazar is disco band with good singers, but ordinary texts and music. Even Bard's calling time of working with them "prostitution". And now we have BWO - the worst (to my mind) Bard's project. Music is on the lowest level, voice is not on the highest. They don't have such extravagantion and explosive energy like Army had, don't have such rhytmical and good-arrenged songs that would get high levels in dance charts, like Alcazar did. And I don't wanna to compare 'em with Vacuum. Now only Bard's name is working for him and his money, that are so attrective for Marina - she's going to run with Sasha everywhere. So, I wanna say I'd like to say at the begining - Bard is very creativ nature, he's very good for extraordinary ideas, but not musicant. And his projects were really cheep, but Vacuum managed to go on without Bard, proving us their strenghs. If Bard worked alone with Vacuum, we'd have something like BWO. Vacuum was great as idea, but now it's greater as MUSIC.

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04-02-2005 18:55
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Masha
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Shadow wrote:


But why do you consider this way as devoid of philosophy? Its just another level of philosophy (IMHO). Each soul (read heart) includes the whole world. And when any heart speaks to another one What a SPACE for philosophy!!! Deep inner philosophy of much deeper and much wider level, darling Bards philosophy declared with all that catchy, loud and bright sentences appears shallow one in comparison


Well, philosophy is sitematization of ideas which mostly float  in art, defining them scientifically. That's why when you express something through philosophical words it can sound  colder ( like in a Bard's book ) compared to how it sounds when you express that in art. Philosophy is not art , but art sometimes expresses philosophical ideas in its artistic way.

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05-02-2005 03:07
   
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Go :

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http://vacuum-music.com/foruum/viewtopic.php?id=200

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05-02-2005 06:18
   

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sycamore wrote:

Vacuum is the most harmonical band Bard has ever made. Voice, style, music, lyrics were made for each other and united into the one something great we love so much. What about another projects, so they were not so cheep because of some proffesional peoples like Wollbek, Hanson and meny others who worked and stills working with Bard. Army had almost nothing (no normal voice, no deep sense in lyrics), but idea! just idea of making such band of members, who could just open mouthes like nutcrackers. Alcazar is disco band with good singers, but ordinary texts and music. Even Bard's calling time of working with them "prostitution". And now we have BWO - the worst (to my mind) Bard's project. Music is on the lowest level, voice is not on the highest. They don't have such extravagantion and explosive energy like Army had, don't have such rhytmical and good-arrenged songs that would get high levels in dance charts, like Alcazar did. And I don't wanna to compare 'em with Vacuum. Now only Bard's name is working for him and his money, that are so attrective for Marina - she's going to run with Sasha everywhere. So, I wanna say I'd like to say at the begining - Bard is very creativ nature, he's very good for extraordinary ideas, but not musicant. And his projects were really cheep, but Vacuum managed to go on without Bard, proving us their strenghs. If Bard worked alone with Vacuum, we'd have something like BWO. Vacuum was great as idea, but now it's greater as MUSIC.


Are you really listen ALL Army fo lovers and Alcazar songs?In the some songs sense oin lyric more much deeper than Vacuum songs now!!!!


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05-02-2005 06:40
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Masha wrote:

Well, philosophy is sitematization of ideas which mostly float  in art, defining them scientifically.
Sure, philoshphy is systematization of ideas. Indeed. And thats why its not art (as you mention below). Its science. And when you endow anyones art with real scientific qualities (like you do concerning Bards projects) you make a big and funny logical mistake.
Anyones artistic creative activity based on his own philosophical knowleges (or just only sensations and guesses) can just awaken our thinking process and lead to our real scientific interest in philosophy. Can only lead, but not to be a substitution of real science.

The problem is that you (and all who think like you about Bards projects) put much more meaning into just pop music than it includes really. Its just art and noway science.
It just can refer to some global problems (and human love and other human feelings among them are not least things to pay attention to, since all the rest are just effects of feelings).
And art doesnt solve global problems. It even cant approach to any solution.

Your concept is based on declared poetic postulate: , .
(Translation:A poet in Russia is more than a poet.)
People who are products of soviet and post-soviet educational system will always bear within any extent that burden of try to solve by art some global human problems

Anyway, Id  :winky:raising the monument:biggrin:  to Bard as a great popularizer of science among youth. By accessible language of pop music he could awake schoolchilds interest to study such difficult subjects like physics, astronomy etc. And even stimulate philosophical attitude of mind. Honor and praise to him! :biggrin:

But all what you consider as philosophy in his works is rather pseudo-philosophy. Adapted to be accessible for wide circle of people.
One shouldnt take it soooo seriously. Its just music. Pop music, btw. :biggrin:

If to say about neo Vacuum I dont see Mattias and Wollbecks pretensions to perform themselves as great philosophers. They just create in their natural manner with open hearts. And that frankness is able to awake so many thoughts in minds of people. That frankness opens space for philosophers. For true ones and for  :winky: homegrown primitive ones :rolleyes: like we all are here on the forum. But that frankness doesnt substitute true science as Philosophy is.


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Philosophy is not art , but art sometimes expresses philosophical ideas in its artistic way.
Sure, darling! Sure! Read above. :biggrin:
Just expresses. Just a small part Just to open your mind Just to half-open Slightly

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05-02-2005 10:31
   
Masha
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In the some songs sense oin lyric more much deeper than Vacuum songs now!!!!




Absolutely , Aleks !!!   :app:    100 % true  :smile:

Shine On is No.1 ... brilliant lyrics, music and singing performance !!!


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